St. Patrick's
Day Massacre
December
7 update:
The fascist
rednecks and homophobes Lexi (tractor gurlie) and this so-called "preacher
roy" (his 3rd name is just "paster" after changing 2 others and
a bunch of sock puppets to hide his identity) have gone back to deleting my
posts after I loosing the debate completely (that's always a sign someone lost
the debate, when they use censorship) The complete lack of logic, hypocrisy,
and illiteracy of thse idiots is beyond belief, but read on. I have not included
the basic posts of those trying to discuss the string of the parade and what
happened, so there are gaps. I have included others on the latest issue. You
can read it all online, or even participate.
You
can call me whatever names you choose but I find it interesting that anyone
who challenges you when you make absurd statements that even you admit were
over the top is "nitpicking".
In
past posts on this thread I've referenced various Articles in the UCMJ. Article
88 that you offer up as proof is this:
“Any
commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the
Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military
department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature
of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty
or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
Elements.
(1)
That the accused was a commissioned officer of the United States armed forces;
iraqwarvet
is an unknown person who says he is NOT a commissioned officer.
(2)
That the accused used certain words against an official or legislature named
in the article;
He
said he doesn't believe the war is just, needed etc. He made no mention of the
CIC or Congress that I read.
(3)
That by an act of the accused these words came to the knowledge of a person
other than the accused; and
Since
he is an anonymous poster all this is unknown.
(4)
That the words used were contemptuous, either in themselves or by virtue of
the circumstances under which they were used. Note: If the words were against
a Governor or legislature, add the following element
If
saying 'I don't like this war' is a courts martial offense, about 90% of the
military should be in the brig.
(5)
That the accused was then present in the State, Territory, Commonwealth, or
possession of the Governor or legislature concerned.
It's
the internet, he could be anywhere.
12/3/2007
10:52 AM MST
Pastor
- I'll be succinct:
1.
I've posted several times in the past that if you are looking for adoration
or admiration from the amen pew, a public forum is a bad place to be. Personally,
I've tried to keep things civil, but I'm not a hall monitor.
2.
I've also posted that I would defend anyone's Constitutional rights and if
someone were threatening your 1st Amendment rights you'd find me right beside
you. But, calling Bill Clinton evil and gays sinners, paints a big target
on yourself. If you're going to throw stones, expect people to return fire.
Now
during the parade if the person in charge feels that the message the group is
present is not what he expect does he have the right to revoke that person permit
to be in the parade? Once the permitted has revoked and the police ask that
group to remove themselves from the parade route what happens next is up the
that group they can obey or chose to disobey the polices request. Once a decision
is made that group is responablile for their own actions. No ones freedom of
speech or 1st Amendment rights were violated because the person in charge has
the right to pull someone permitted from the parade. So the stubblen block between
you and me is I do not see this issue as a 1st amendment of freedom of speech
issue. Why? Because I see this parade as a private parade due to the fact you
must applies for a permit in order to be the parade.
12/3/2007
12:11 PM MST
Was
the parade public or private is a question that will likely come up again in
the courts. I don't know what arguments the lawyers will make or what decisions
the judges will make. But, it seems to me that if you hold an event that is
open to the public with no admission charge, on public streets and with tax
payer funded police patrolling, it will be difficult to argue that the parade
is private. I don't see how anyone could therefore trespass on a city street.
My
comments, and my position regarding the Constitutional right to free speech
and peaceful assembly have been in regard to the police actions. I'm betting
that some of the police got called into a superior's office after the parade
and were asked "Just what were you thinking by dragging an old lady across the
pavement with video cameras rolling all around you? We are supposed to be the
protectors of little old ladies, not bullies. You are making us all look like
thugs!" The police are there to protect and serve. Their role is not punitive.
Police apprehend suspects. DAs determine if there's a case and then bring it
to trial. Lawyers provide evidence to a jury and Judge. If all this proves beyond
a reasonable doubt that they suspect is indeed a criminal, they are sentenced
or fined. Advocating the police short circuit our judicial system by doling
out physical punishment on the streets is not wise and its not Constitutional.
If
your dog bites a neighbor kid playing in the street, you smack the dog on the
head with a newspaper, not give it a petite filet. The fact that you may not
like your neighbors kid is irrelevant.
It
appears to me that the police overreacted because they didn't like the protesters.
If this group had been wearing T-shirts calling for people to join them at their
Sunday bible study classes, whether or not they had a valid parade permit would
have been handled peacefully.
As
far as iraqwarvet, I work with these guys. Many of them have had their bell
rung so many times from IEDs and sniper fire they are suffering from undiagnosed
PTSD. They get angry. Many self medicate and are borderline drug or alcohol
abusers, others have strained their family relationships to the breaking point
and beyond. Most, whether they express it out loud or not are disillusioned
that after 5 years in the sandbox with multiple tours, they still are not doing
what they signed up to do; fight those terrorists who ran planes in the WTC.
If
you think his language was offensive, you should hear what I've heard; it would
make your ears ring. It would also make you realize that our fine young men
and women are being pushed beyond the breaking point.
If
someone came to you for spiritual counseling and they were angry and confused
would you call them an idiot or coward? No, you would understand they were under
great stress and would take any of their remarks with a huge grain of salt.
Csation
since when have you be know for tell the truth on any issues. Time and Time
again you have changed you story to fit the news being present. Time and Time
again you have attack people by names call to advance you world view. The issue
is simply once the police told them to move they should have obey the polices
offices instead of acting like they did. They could have obey the police but
they chose not to. I do not care if the people parade had the right to remove
or not. Once a police ask you to move out of the way you obey and sort out the
mess latter. So please do not justify their behavior by saying the parade made
a mistake. The only mistake was your group not obeying the police.
12/3/2007
1:34 PM MST
"preacher"
roid, you know all the answers to these questions as you heard it over and over
for 7 months now. Here's something new for you to ignore:
Former
judge, civil rights lawyer, devout Quaker, and co-chair of the El Paso County
ACLU, who was arrested in the parade, answers your latest "pretend I don't know"
question very nicely in his statement at the press conference. 4 of the arrested
speak in this video.
"We
stopped our walk, on command, to quietly wait and see what the police and parade
organizers wanted to do."
As
for your charge "since when have you be know for tell the truth on any issues",
I'll ignore the illiteracy and stupidity and simply say it is your opinion that
I am NOT known for telling the truth. (if you had any guts, you'd just say "liar")
Of course, most of the time, I let the videotape, photos, quotes, research,
data, facts, court transcripts, and studies do my talking for me.
My
experience is that if you treat these men with respect and dignity they will
return in kind. If you attack them, they will return fire.
It's
that simple.
Does
a father stab his son if the son asks why he is being treated unfairly even
if his son asks in a very loud tone? Do you give a man a stone when he asks
for bread? If we simply step back, take a deep breathe and try to understand
the context in which something is posted, I think we'd be much more patient,
much more understanding, much slower to anger. If we make it a condition that
in order to forgive others, they must first apologize to us, its bargain hunting;
not forgiveness.
12/3/2007
3:22 PM MST
It
won't work "preacher" roid. I don't speak for all of anyone. Not all on the
left, all peaceniks, protesters, antiwar, Democrats (I'm not one), MoveOn.org
members, or parade marchers (I wasn't arrested and no member of CSaction was).
That's just the bigoted way you think and you assume everyone else does to.
I speak for me and there's not a GD thing you can do about it.
The
way you and all bigots think is that any statement or action by any member of
a loosely affiliated group is counted as the statement or action of that entire
group and every member. Nothing could be further from the truth with every group
I've known, but bigots like you think that way.
An
illegal immigrant breaks in to a house, and ALL undocumented workers, and everyone
in Mexico is a thief. A gay priest preys on the boys in the choir and all gay
men are pedophiles.
This
is an inherit weakness of the binary thinkers like you that see everything in
the world as a Yin and Yang polar dichotomy of good and evil, black and white,
God and satan.
You
prefer weak, passive, apologetic, meek, defenseless hippie peaceniks begging
you for permission to have a little peace and I won't play your game and you
can't take it. GFY. You need to sit with the kids at the card table for Thanksgiving
dinner. ;.)
I've
made no attempt to silence you. You have deleted posts of mine before. You are
what you accuse me of, and a hypocrite because of it. Debating people I disagree
with is not trying to silence them. Deleting posts IS. Correcting the misinformation
and lies on this blog is not trying to silence anyone, but fighting for the
truth. Out debating the klan members here with evidence, photos, videotape,
and logic is painful for you, but it's in no way an attempt to silence you.
It's just the truth and "you can't handle the truth". "I didn't give you Hell.
I PROVED to you the truth. You just thought it was hell"
Hiding
behind that fake "pastor" name is a lie. Using the church to spread your bigotry
is an abomination to the church.
Now
say I hate Christians because I call it like I see it, and you a hypocrite bigot.
Oh,
here we go, Lets talk about telling the truth and lies
Casaction
lets look at the lies you just poster
“Hiding
behind that fake "pastor" name is a lie. Using the church to spread your bigotry
is an
abomination
to the church”
Now
the lie you are saying is this “I am hiding behind that fake “pastor”
name”. This is your first lies and misinformation you like to spread.
I have been a licensees Minster for over 18 years, I have been a children pastor
in 4 churches, youth is 2 churches, I have been pastor. Now I used my first
name under the last system I went by Pastor Roy. Have you csaction every used
your real name posting here? Since I have used my name, sir, you are the one
hiding by a fake name.
Now
you lack of understanding and refusing to listen is your next’s lie “
Using the Church to spread your bigotry” The Bible, The Word of God, The
Christian Bible what every you want to call it is clear that certain life style
and behavior is call a sin. I know you will not listen to it because it does
not fit your narrow minded world view on life. An that your talking point that
right your talking that you get off your web page will not permitted you to
admit you are wrong. I have been out spoke against the bigots the promote the
hate and lies you see coming from the Kansas group, you sir, have never spoken
out against the hate and lies the left has spread. I need to do some phone calls
and get back with some moe of your lies and misinformation you are spreading.
“I've
made no attempt to silence you. You have deleted posts of mine before. You are
what you accuse me of, and a hypocrite because of it. Debating people I disagree
with is not trying to silence them. Deleting posts IS.”
I
have never called for deleting your posting under the last system. You sir,
want to blame me because it helps you to feel better. I have called for the
deleting of a person posting when he used my name to pass false information,
now unless you were the person using my name to insult me and silence me then
yes I have called for the deleted of these posting. Under this system I reported
you once for comment that was hateful but only once.
“Correcting
the misinformation and lies on this blog is not trying to silence anyone, but
fighting for the truth. Out debating the klan members here with evidence, photos,
videotape, and logic is painful for you, but it's in no way an attempt to silence
you. It's just the truth and "you can't handle the truth". "I didn't give you
Hell. I PROVED to you the truth. You just thought it was hell"”
NOW
calling people names is not correcting misinformation and lies, it is to intimidate
people in to silence and obedience. The names and words you like to is for the
sole reason to try an discredit people. You have Bible Believing Christina Taliban,
you call the problem in the middle east the Zionist problem. Why? Because again
you talking points on your web page tells you to.
“An
illegal immigrant breaks in to a house, and ALL undocumented workers, and everyone
in Mexico is a thief. A gay priest preys on the boys in the choir and all gay
men are pedophiles.”
Now
I have never made the above statement, you want to lie an make it sound like
I did becasue it helps you in your attack and spreding of misinformation about
me. I have made it clear that the priest that preyed on the boys were gay. I
have never and will never call all gay men pedophiles. That is an insult to
my brother and his parent who would hurt a child. That statement is an insult
to my best friend in Kansas who is gay an would never hurt a child. This is
one of your lies and misinformation you love to spread about Christian so you
can call us bigots.
“This
is an inherit weakness of the binary thinkers like you that see everything in
the world as a Yin and Yang polar dichotomy of good and evil, black and white,
God and satan.” An yes I do see the world in the of good versus evil for
the most part and yes it is God versus satan.
Take
a breath, pastor. I'm a member of the peace movement, and I've never been "violent
and name calling, spitting on soldiers, destroying government property, attack
polices offices".
Except
for name calling which really seems to bug you. I don't know why. You call people
names as much or more than anyone, and I don't see any problem with it, except
when you complain about it. No one complains about it but you. I'm not sure
which blogs you frequent where people talk about politics and don't insult each
other on occasion. Maybe a political blog isn't for you, you know? "Can't take
the heat..."
Anyone
that ever spit on a soldier hurt the movement by giving people like you some
endless myth to bring up constantly for the last 40 years, so they're no friend
of mine. Same for destroying government property and police offices. I'm sure
there have been some, but you can't paint the whole peace movement with the
same broad brush. Otherwise, because of the priest scandal, Haggard, Richard
Roberts, and Jimmy Swaggert, you would have to be an adulerous, gay, pedophile,
embezzler, just because you're a pastor. It doesn't work like that. They did
those things. Not every man of the cloth.
I've
never seen anyone in the peace movement do the things you say. Certainly not
me. I don't want any part of your squabble with csa, but you caught yourself
in a trap when you said, "I have never called for deleting your posting", then
said, "I reported you once for comment that was hateful but only once."
Not
only do you admit to trying to censor someone here, but decide that you will
be the thought police and decide what is hateful and what is not. You've posted
hateful things about gay people for months. I'm afraid the charge of hypocrite
is correct.
Atheist
I am glad you never spit on a soldier but the peace movement history has should
that it has happen and when people think of the peace movement that is what
they think about. Also the only person posting I asked to be deleted under the
old system was a person who posted under my name and making statement like this
“I like boys to sleep with” this statement and other were an insult
and had no place in this area. For Csaction I reported him once under the new
system for language that was wrong. I know you will not like this because it
does not fit you view of me.
As
for hateful statement your have say I have made. I have spoke clearly about
my feeling about my brother life style. I have called in a sin and that is it.
I have never called for violent against them, I have called for someone not
to be hired because they were gay. I have spoken out against people who do that.
Your problem as your handle points out is with Christian who believe in God’s
Word and that certain behavior are wrong. I have spoken out against gay marriage
base on our nation history on marriage not on the Bible. You pick me out of
every who posted here because of my title and I am clear on my point and you
do not like it.
12/5/2007
8:07 AM MST
Atheist
before you get on your soap box’s an accused me of censor ship, I have
never called for anyone to delete any of your posting. I have never complained
about your anti-Christian comments. Now under the old system it took five people
to delete one posting, so if I asked other to delete something some one else
needed to read it an agree with me on it. I have never voted or ask anyone to
vote on any of Casction posting under the old system to deleted them. This is
a lie he likes to spread about people who stand up to him.
On
calling me and other on this issue of makeing stated you call “hateful
comments” on the gay have you called those on the other side of the issue
for making hateful statement about Christian? Or are you like other here that
make excuses for the people who agree with them when they make hateful statements.
Lexiii
I to hope Iraqwarvet is ok also I may disagree with him on all issues but I
would never want him to come to any harm.
12/5/2007
8:36 AM MST
It
certainly says something about our streets if a 2 tour Veteran of Baghdad can
survive there but not here. Spc. Shields is not one of the Veterans I work with,
so don't know him. My thoughts are with his family.
"preacher",
I'm not interested in personal conversations with anyone on these strings, especially
you, but merely post about the subject of the article and sometimes some additional
facts about the issue, if it looks like that would serve the truth.
I
was unaware of you deleting a recent post of mine, until you admitted it here.
One of the problems with everyone not logging in here with their email address
(contact@csaction.org) is that these
conversations cannot happen offline, where they belong.
What
strikes me about your post is this: "For CSaction I reported him once under
the new system for language that was wrong".
"Wrong"?
And what language was it that you determined, in your infinite wisdom, was wrong?
Who are you to determine what is wrong, and right? Are you sure you didn't just
find a word you thought might excuse your deleting my post and censoring me,
because you disagreed with the content of what I said? The arrogance of those
of you who elect yourselves to speak for god, amazes me. BTW, don't think I
missed your anti-Semitic slander; it's just beneath the threshold for comment.
The only interesting thing is that you call me that while whining about name
calling. Pathetic.
Now,
enough time wasted with you, and back to the subject at hand, as I see I have
missed a question about the parade participants. By my count, there were 6 Veterans
in our group walking with us, representing 3 groups, Iraq Veterans Against the
War, Veterans for Peace, and Vietnam Veterans Against the War (John Kerry's
group). By definition, that would include members of VFW, VVA, and other groups.
Opposition to war is not down party lines, or service lines, or any other lines
as far as I can tell. At least as many registered Republicans were in our group,
a former corrections officer at Canon City was arrested and choked; another
testified for us in court, so law enforcement was also represented. A quaker
minister was arrested, a former Catholic priest and chaplain of CC marched with
us, so the mix of atheists, agnostics, Christians, Buddhists, and whatever were
also represented. To tell you the truth I don't know, because it's irrelevant
to me. I have no idea what people's religious beliefs are, except for a few.
I don't choose my friends or political allies on that basis. If they'll stand
up for peace, I'm on their side.
I
think everyone wants peace. I think it's 100%. People get into the politics
and forget that they want their grandchildren to live in a peaceful world, and
some think that war will create peace, but I don't think I've ever heard of
someone who doesn't want peace.
That's
what makes it so strange to say that a message of peace is an affront, politically
inflammatory, a de facto protest, an unwelcome political agenda forced on people,
and many of the other charges about this parade entry.
12/5/2007
9:50 AM MST
Csaction
which one is the truth here 1. “You have deleted posts of mine before.”
Or “I was unaware of you deleting a recent post of mine, until you admitted
it here.” Why to 2 statement? Which one is the lie? What other statement
have you lies about in regard to me?
“"Wrong"?
And what language was it that you determined, in your infinite wisdom, was wrong?
Who are you to determine what is wrong, and right?” to answer this comment
I have the right to report to the gazette any thing I feel is wrong under this
“Tolerate
broad thinking, but take action against obscene or hateful material.”
It is up to them to review it under the new system to determine if it is wrong.
You have problem with that take it up with Gazette or stop spread hateful material.
The chose is yours. Oh by the way I reported you only once in all your posting
so get off your soap box’s.
12/5/2007
10:04 AM MST
Pastor
- It is my OPINION (the caps will be obvious later) that the problem here originates
in perspective.
Some
Christians say that homosexuality is a sinful lifestyle choice and that this
sin will get the homosexual thrown into hell for eternity unless they repent
and change themselves into heterosexuals. These same Christians state that this
is not their OPINION, but that it's a fact and then reference scripture to support
their "facts".
Others
state that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice in the matter any
more than someone chooses to be born Black or Latino. They cite scientific research
to support their position.
So
who is correct? Well, of course the Christian group would say they are and the
other group would insist that they are. Each will call the others incorrect.
My
point: When you post things on a website like this one, you've moved yourself
out of the comfort and safety of say a bible study class where when you say
"Let us pray" everyone dutifully bows their heads. Here, it's likely that people
will read what you consider to be "fact" and be insulted by it. Declaring or
implying that you hold absolute truths with God-like precision because you say
you are a Pastor, have a gay brother, read the bible, or have God's ear only
inflames the argument.
For
you to come back later and say "What? I never said anything against gays." after
you just said they were all sinners and are going to hell, may seem perfectly
matter of fact to you, but its insulting to large groups of people who don't
happen to see it like you do.
I
watched Jim Dobson on Larry King one night. Dobson stated on the air that anyone
who didn't accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour would be going to hell.
Larry King, a Jew, called him on it. Dobson said something like 'That's not
just my opinion, its the opinion of millions of Christians all over the world.'
There
are 6.6 billion people on this planet. It is the OPINION of approximately 5+
billion that Jim Dobson is wrong.
So
who's opinion is fact and who's opinion is opinion? The answer lies in your
own beliefs and perspective.
Let
me restate what I began with; this is my opinion.
Amazed2
thank you for your posting an the respectful way you posted. The problem I am
having is that some like csaction want to apply posting to me that I have never
made and they know that. They like to apply activity like deleting posting that
I have never done for the sole purpose to discredit my and what I have to say.
I have gone to great length to say why I am against gay marriage or civil union
and my object with out bring in God’s Word. I have spoke on other forms
where it was dealing with the Christian belief and why certain Christian group
have left the faith during those posting I have pointed the Gay life style like
other behavior out is call a sin. Ok I am guilt of that. I am clear in my posting
why I believe the way I do. I have also condemn those who would take the Word
of God like the Kansas group does to attack and promote hate with. But Csaction
and other want to put me and other with this group. An I have made my feeling
about this group clear but him and other do not care they want to spread this
lie in order to promote their views.
If
you look at my posting in response to Csaction I have shown how he is spreading
lies and misinformation about. Remember the posting we had about those on the
left do not hold the people that view the way do to the same level as they hold
those on the right.
I
only again I only every report Csaction once under the new system because I
felt the lanagues or words he was using violated the standards. Now did it get
removed I do not know, under the old system I never asked anyone to remove his
posting. But he lied about
"There
are 6.6 billion people on this planet. It is the OPINION of approximately 5+
billion that Jim Dobson is wrong."
Says
who? You? Have you polled everyone on the planet?
It's
possible that the millions of Christians Dobson was talking about really do
have that opinion, he certainly has the ability to poll them all, and, that
figure could be based on the millions of letters he receives from Christians
all around the world, so I wouldn't doubt his remark.
I'd
be willing to bet that there are millions of Christians right here in the US
alone who believe as he does. So what?
You
don't believe as he does, others do believe as he does. Big deal. Live and let
live.
12/5/2007
12:09 PM MST
Pastor
- Here we have yet another great example of opinion versus perspective.
After
reading my post you thanked me for it. Lexii read the very same post and replied:
"Says
who? You? Have you polled everyone on the planet?"
It's
pretty obvious that I didn't personally poll 6.6 billion people, so why would
she ask such a question after I stated twice in my post that I wasn't posting
facts, but only opinions? You'd have to ask her.
Now
I could have replied with something like "Yes, I did indeed personally poll
every single person on the planet except you because I wasn't interested in
an outsiders opinion. If you had an IQ higher than a box of hair, you would
have understood that I was trying to give an example of fact vs. opinion and
the actual numbers weren't important." But that would just further escalate
the fight and would quickly lead us away from the point I was originally making.
I could call her names that she has called others on this forum and say she
started it.
So,
I have a decision to make. I choose to ignore her.
12/5/2007
1:26 PM MST
Preacher,
I know I'm being suckered again by a deceptive blog troll, but since English
is not your first language, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here again.
The answer to your question is both are true. I know you have deleted (censored)
my opinions in the past (on the old blog) and I was not aware that you had RECENTLY
(that means not a long time ago) censored me on the "new" blog. I know that
you are the type of person that censors people and decides what is right and
wrong for others, but was simply not aware that a post of mine was missing in
action do to your well known theofascism. That's fine. Keep showing your true
colors.
Now,
this will be the hardest concept of all for you to grasp. The answer to your
question is not either of the 2 EXTREME possibilities, but both together in
a blend of 50-50. In your world in binary extremes of total love and good, and
on the other hand, total hate and evil, the gray area in between the black and
while is unknown, but that's where 98% of the truth is. Neither of the extremes,
but in the middle.
Keeping
someone from speaking, silencing a dissenter, censoring other's opinions is
fascism. Born of fear and neurosis and self doubt, and most importantly for
you...a lack of faith. A lack of faith that you're right. A lack of faith that
everyone won't side with you, and might think I've made a good point. A lack
of faith that the self appointed spokesman for god has not quite represented
him with the perfection he deserves.
Now,
between 10:04 and 11:56, you have gone back to claiming that you did not delete
any posts, then, in the same post, admit again, that you did. Deception is a
trap. You have to keep track of all the lies, and they will quickly become too
large to manage. You have managed to take over the string and turn the attention
to yourself, and another sermon, so have been successful in that way, but you
trap yourself over and over.
BTW,
1.637 billion Christians on earth. 6.671 billion people. The vast majority are
NOT Christians. 5 Billion.
12/5/2007
1:30 PM MST
Csaction
I never removed any of your posting in the old system unless you were posting
as the fake pastor roy. YOU POSTED SAYING I DID THIS IS A LIE.
I
did report you to the gazette for words that I felt fell with in their rules.
An I have that right it is not censor ship even if you want it to be. I do not
know if it was removed. Now good try at tiring to lie again. BUT LETS BE CLEAR
I REPORTED YOU ONE TIME THAT IS IT. I NVER REMOVED ANY OF YOU POSTING IN THE
OLD SYSTEM, I HAVE NOT ASK THE GAZETTE TO REMOVE ANY OF YOUR OTHER POSTING BUT
THIS ONE TIME. Good try I did not turn this into a sermon or about me you did
and other did when I ask the simple question of why you do not hold the people
that view the way you do to the same standards as you and other hold those who
disagree with you? From there you and another attacked me on this so good try
again at not telling the truth.
ONE
MORE TIME I WILL MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU CSACTION I HAVE ONLY REPORTED YOU TO THE
GAZETTE ONE TIME THAT IS IT FOR ALL YOUR HATE SPEECH YOU HAVE POSTED. THAT IS
IT ONE TIME. I NEVER ASKED OR REMOVED ANY OF YOUR HATE SPEECH UNDER THE OLD
SYSTEM.
12/5/2007
1:58 PM MST
CSAction,
reporting an abusive post doesn't censor anyone, nor does it delete the post
unless several others have also reported the same post.
Pastor
has explained to you that he has reported one of your posts on this newer system,
not that he deleted or even censored it. There's a difference between deleting
a post and reporting it as abusive. If he reports it and it's subsequently deleted
without others also having reported it, then it was deleted by the moderators,
not by Pastor.
Now,
could you please get off the broken record here? You've complained about plenty
of people's posts yourself, so stop nitpicking at Pastor.
He's
not the only person to have registered a complaint about any of your posts,
I've registered a few complaints about your posts in the past myself as have
some other people. Personally, I haven't registered a complaint about any of
your posts since this new posting system took affect, but I will tell you that
I'm getting tired of your attacking Pastor on this particular subject, especially
for something so trivial, so I'm asking you to please stop it and try to engage
in rational and meaningful dialogue.
Thank
you.
12/5/2007
2:13 PM MST
Now
I understand csaction, you are above the Gazette Standard, you can post what
ever you wants and we are not permitted to report your hate speech as abuse
to the Gazette if we do, you called it censoring . this is not not permitted
accordance to you, csaction. So csaction I guess there is two standard one for
you and one for the rest of us. I know understand, so I guess I will just let
you go about attacking people and spreading hate as you seem fit.
12/5/2007
2:16 PM MST
amazed,
my smart arsed answer to your "opinion" was meant to show you how silly your
analogy is. An opinion is usually based on something, on what basis would you
claim that over 5 billion people don't agree with Dobson? Are you naive enough
to think that just because someone isn't a Christian that they either will or
won't agree with Dobson? For your information, there are many non-Christians
who agree that homosexuality is a deviant and unacceptable lifestyle. And for
your further information, not every Christian agrees with Dobson.
You
can have all of the opinions you want, but if you want to impress someone with
them, then at least try to use some kind of reasoning while expressing your
opinion. A bit of knowledge of the subject doesn't hurt, either.
When
it comes to Dobson, I don't think you have a whole lot of knowledge of what
you're talking about, you're just spouting hatefulness.
12/5/2007
2:30 PM MST
amazed2
wrote:
"Some
Christians say that homosexuality is a sinful lifestyle choice and that this
sin will get the homosexual thrown into hell for eternity unless they repent
and change themselves into heterosexuals. These same Christians state that this
is not their OPINION, but that it's a fact and then reference scripture to support
their "facts".
Others
state that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice in the matter any
more than someone chooses to be born Black or Latino. They cite scientific research
to support their position.
So
who is correct? "
Actually,
I believe that homosexuality is a mental defect, and the only way to cure it
is to follow the scripture and eliminate the defective people. We wouldn't want
people running around with leprosy, AIDS, Hepatitis, Bird flu, so why should
people with mental defects be allowed to run around in society?
12/5/2007
2:58 PM MST
You
can scream and yell all you want preacher, but deleting a post of another blogger
IS censorship. It's typical of people like you, too. Just because you claim
you only censored me once, doesn't make it any less of a violation of my equal
right to speak here. If someone only shoots someone once, is it any less murder?
(yeah, I know it's justified if YOU shoot them in the name of god, but that
wasn't the question)
Just
because you claim it was some word (you refuse to name) that was offensive to
you, doesn't change a thing. It was the truth of hat I posted that you used
the EXCUSE of bad language to delete the post.
Why
don't you let the gazette monitor their own blog and decide? Why don't you start
your won blog on why Jesus wants us to be intolerant and when I post something
there, then you can delete it?
Who
put you in charge?
Who
made you the "decider"?
Who
made you god?
12/6/2007
3:32 PM MST
OK,
it was calm and quiet until Pondfrogz came in and started it up again with her
remark.
CSAction,
if you don't stop it, I and probably most everyone else will start reporting
your posts as abusive and send emails to the internet director at the Gazette.
Pastor,
ignore him and maybe he'll stop it.
Pondfrogz,
next time you want to sit in the corner, do so quietly so as to not stir things
up again.
Now
let's have a little peace. If we can't discuss things peacefully, then let's
not discuss them at all.
12/6/2007
4:48 PM MST
No
worries, Pastor -- just ignore him, and report his posts if you need to. I went
ahead and reported his last post myself, there was no need for that attack.
It's
one thing to say something someone doesn't like,or to even take a jab or two,
but to continue on and on with it in a personally attacking manner like that
is unsightly and rather annoying.
12/6/2007
5:01 PM MST
OK,
folks, let's not gang up on CSAction here. While I see some good advice for
him (and all of us, actually), I'm sure this is enough to give him the message.
Most,
if not all, of us have crossed that line a time or two, or have come close,
and once in a while seems forgivable. Even so, we should all strive to make
sure we don't make it a daily habit, and I think that CSAction has been reminded
about that plenty here today.
And,
if CSAction continues the behavior, I have no doubt that there will be more
reminders...lol...but for now let's give him the benefit of the doubt and give
him a chance to turn from his evil, sinful posting ways.
Go
and sin no more brother CSAction. or sister. (I'm sorry, I really don't know
your gender.)
[
-insert cute little winking
CSAction,
please show me where I threatened to delete your posts? In fact, you can't because
I didn't. I stated that I would report abusive posts, which I did.
You
need to stop your nonsense and try to get along with people here. If you can't
do that, you're in the wrong place.
When
you learn to be civil with people, maybe people will discuss things with you
again. Until then, it would be wise for everyone here, including myself, to
completely ignore you from now on, not reading or answering any of your posts.
If
you refuse to try to get along with others, then you can just enjoy posting
to yourself as far as I'm concerned.
Enough
said.
12/6/2007
10:34 PM MST
the
deleted post:
Lexi,
you're thinly veiled threats to delete my posts do not scare me. Your righteous
indignation about about name calling (when you just called an Iraq War veteran
a "coward" and "idiot") is as fake as preacher's who called me an anti-Semite
on these boards for months, but all in a tither over some un-named affront.
It all fits perfectly with the "holier than thou" attitude of those that decide
what defines name calling (nothing they say, and anything said by someone
with whom they disagree) and who decides what posts need to be removed. Show
some spine and integrity.
Leave
the posts there and rebut them IF you can. I would never think to delete a
post as a way to shut someone up that I disagree with. Your threats are empty,
and your invitation to others to help you delete my posts is another pathetic
attempt at censorship.
I
especially love the messianic posture with "go and sin no more", and the editorial
use of the word "we". Are you sure you speak for everyone Lexi, and have been
elected hall monitor?
Now,
is there any discussion of the parade left? No more questions? Everyone seen
the videos? No one else, but Lexi want to call me a liar over what the photos
show? That is the topic on this string, isn't it? Or is it preacher Roid?
Is he the topic of every string? Is that all you people have to discuss? Him,
his life, his opinions, and his religion? And now, what he thinks I should
and should not be allowed to say here. Nothing happened in the world today,
but preacher roid? http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=csaction
Looks
like the offending posts have been removed. Good. Now it looks like I'm talking
to myself. lol...
12/6/2007
10:44 PM MST
I,
for one, consider deleting other's posts censorship too. This is a news blog,
not a kindergarten blog. I've seen a lot of things that could be consider outside
the terms of service, and the Gazette says it had to change this blog over to
a new software because of the hateful things said against blacks, women, gays,
whatever, and none of those things they complained about were things csa said.
Lexiii,
you say show you where you deleted his posts, and then you say it looks like
they were deleted. I missed them, and now I don't get to see for myself or decide
for myself? How do you brag about deleted someone's posts and then say you didn't?
Who put you in charge?
12/7/2007
7:43 AM MST
What
every happen to taken responsibility for your on actions. The police tells you
to move, you do not get in trouble you blame someone else for not listen to
the police. 6 kids jump one kid and they blame it on 3 other kids who hung a
rope on a tree (by the way the kids the hung the rope need help this is wrong)
. Someone smokes and get sick an blame the people who make the product for their
chose to smoke.
If
someone gets pulled over because of speeding it is the cops fault. So what every
happen to takne responsibility for your on actions? (Oh by the way the Bible
does talk about this type of behavior also.)
12/7/2007
8:37 AM MST
atheist,
don't look at me, I'm not the one who is in charge of deleting posts.
For
the record, though, sometimes censorship is necessary. The Gazette does have
posting rules, and if we don't abide by them, then we deserve for our posts
to be censored.
If
any of us don't like to follow the Gazette's rules, then maybe we should find
someplace else to post.
I,
for one, appreciate those rules and have no intention of going elsewhere. So
if you want to bully someone, then you risk having your post reported as abusive
and possibly deleted by the Gazette as a result. Don't act like you don't know
this or that it surprises you, these comments areas are not meant to be a free
for all.
12/7/2007
11:59 AM MST
October
5 update:
April
10 story and entire blog
Background:
There
has been a discussion on the GAGzette blog every time a report on the St Paddy
7 comes up, and one of the more redneck posters there is someone going by the
name of "Tractor Gurlie". Never posts under that name for any other
subject, so another "sock puppet" name of one of the other posters.
I don't call women gurlie, so refer to her as Tractor Person. Anyway, she claims
to have seen everything because she was sitting on a old green tractor in front
of the 1st Congregational church when the incident happened. She claims to have
seen our people kicking and biting cops, and
using signs as a weapon.
So, Tractor
Person, here are 2 old green tractors sitting by the 1st Congregational Church
and no one sitting on the tractors when this photo is made. This is just as
we were stopped.
This
little debate has gotten more strange since, when another of the cretins on
the GAGzette blog decides he saw someone sitting on a tractor in the back of
a photo I posted, and concluded I was a "liar". Turns out to be a
woman and man standing on a porch across the street from the tractors. Don't
ask too much of the idiots on the GAGzette blog. It's not fair.
Here's
the frame the idiot described and Tractor person claims is her on her tractor.
This is the very frame of the video he claims shows a woman in white shirt,
sitting on a tractor above the crowd. I lost count of the assumptions he has
to make and the lack of knowledge he has to have to make this claim and conclude
I'm a liar. The tractors are across the street in front of the 1st Congregational
church, with the pipefitters union.
Here
is a photo from another angle of the women in the white shirt and why her head
is above everyone else:
So,
Tractor Person, the photo below is looking back where those tractors are parked,
but you can't see them. If you can't see those tractors from my camera held
to my eye (I'm 6 feet 4), then the view from those tractors is blocked of many
things, including the parade official pushing Elizabeth. You wouldn't be able
to see the cop twisting her arm behind her. You wouldn't be able to see Eric
on the ground behind her. By your logic, if I can't see those 2 tractors they
don't exist. You and I both know they're there. You would say the parade official
did not push Elizabeth cause you didn't see it. That the cop didn't twist her
arm behind her back because you didn't see it. But from your perspective sitting
on a tractor (which none these photos show) you obviously can't see everything.
One
more thing you're overlooking. The 2 photos above were taken by my friend Darla,
not by me. I didn't have to be everywhere seeing and shooting everything with
the 2 cameras I had, to have photo evidence of everything. From a stationary
position on a tractor, assuming you were there, you saw less than you think.
We had 5 cameras there, and the crowd had many more. They all show the same
things.
For
copies of these photos email contact@csaction.org, unless you're working for
the city attorney, in which case, you'll have to subpoena me to get them.
Oct
5:
The
little slanderous shit decides now that she needs to add irrelevant details
to her lies that get her in more trouble, so says the trailers were attached
to the tractors (like that means anything) She trying to establish some lie
about why the photos show she is NOT sitting on a tractor seat watching ME threaten
the crowd with my flag and us kicking and biting police. Here's a closup of
the above photo with the trailer NOT attached to the tractor. Irrelevant, but
another lie, so:
No
it has nothing to do with anything, and her latest lie is the best of all. She
claims she didn't write all those posts, arguing with me for weeks about what
happened, adn how WE were so violent. That someone else was using her name.
A name which has never appeared before then and was specific to the "sitting
on the tractor watching the violent peaceniks" lie, So, she never complained
that somneone was usiing her name for 7 months, never deleted the posts, never
brought it up until being proved a liar.
October
3-
Since
tractor gurlie has been denying she said what she did, I looked up some of it
(poor fools don't know everything they write is on the GAGztte server. This
kind of blog troll just pounds out any lies and hyperbole and then forgets about
it, and can never remember what they said, or what you said, for that matter)
Here are some selected posts from back on March and April, when the "eye
witness" accounts were the biggest pack of LIES:
I
was there. I was waiting in the 'staging area' as this group with there little
van went past us. They got about 5 feet past our area when the older woman,
is screaming from inside her little van, one of her other
protestors decides to lay down on the street. The woman jumps out of
her van, still screaming when shes the police coming she also
lays down in the middle of the street. The Bookman van then pulls up
sideways in the street to STOP the parade. The
police tried resoning with them, as the crowd is also telling them to get up
and just go, they refused. Now, you have a parade stalled behind you, a nice
day, children are there waiting, what were the police to do? Wait patiently
while the protestors DECIDE that the parade can go on? No they removed the people
off the street. Escorted the van off the street. The police
did however break one of the signs the protestors was carrying over his knee,
but only because it LOOKED as if that person was using
it as a weapon towards the police as he was RUNNING away from them. To
the PROTESTORS this was a parade for St Patricks day. This was NOT your forum
for this activity, you CHOOSE to create this problem and the DOMINOE effect
is you were arrested. Face your charges, apologize to the CHILDREN who had to
see you lay on the street and to the rest of us that were in the parade for
stalling it and lets move on. Oh yeah try growing up also, just a thought.
Tractor Gurlie - May 09, 2007
10:24:50 AM (you'll see, of course, in the photos that
the van is not only 36 feet away, but in the far eastern lane of Tejon that
heads north, and NOT turned sideways in the street. I don't need to tell you
Elizabeth did not lay down in the street, nor did Eric, who was thrown down...keep
reading)
I never (said)
force wasnt used. It was needed though, you are sseeing a video I was there.
I saw the man lie down as the police approached,
I saw him refuse to get up, I saw him kick at the offiers
as they bent down to try and pick him up. I saw the older woman jump
out of her little van and run around yelling and screaming and
then lays down next to her fellow protestor. Then there was a guy running
around with one the banners swinging it towards the police
and towards the crowd, where children were sitting, had he tripped a
child could have been hurt. So, the FORCE that was used, was a necessary force
needed to get the situation under control. In fact the crowd, including myself
applauded the officer when they removed the protestors from the parade.
Tractor Gurlie - May 09, 2007
11:38:04 AM (More LIES of violence by our group)
DW I am NOT going by the
reports of the Gazette ONCE again I WAS THERE. Its called Eye Witness. Yes she,
as Lexi said, basically threw herself down in the street.
I was surprised she did not kick her little feet up in the air and kick like
a baby, well I guess she sort of did when she was kicking
at the police officer. And I must LOL and the person who said she LOST
her balance. OMG now thats just funny.
Tractor Gurlie - May 09, 2007
02:34:10 PM (I'm the person who said she lost her balance,
of course all I have to refer to is the fucking videotape)
unbelievable- I wont call
the PROTESTORS liars but I will say that they are not telling the truth as I
saw it. I was there. They choose to hold there little 'lets lay down in the
street and see what happens' demonstartion less than 5
feet from where I sat on top of my tractor. Seeing how the tractor sits
about 8 feet in the air I had a clear view of what they were doing and could
hear them clearly, so there recollection of the events are incorrect as they
did REFUSE to get up out of the street. Who lays down in a street during a parade
anyhow? Someone who wants to cause an ISSUE. Please think on that.
Tractor Gurlie - May 09, 2007
02:18:19 PM
I was there, the police should
have peacefully tazed them Stacy - STACY Do tell how you PEACEFULLY taze a person?
Your off the island. PREACHER This would not be an issue IF they had not made
it into one. You can whatever T-Shirt you want, but when you lay down in the
street and hace your buddies pull there little van sideways
in the street to purposely STOP a parade then you have gone to far and
should be removed or peacefully tazed.
Tractor Gurlie - May 09, 2007
03:35:27 PM (I'd be damned if I would keep telling this
lie, knowing there were photos posted that the whole world could see, and not
sneak a look at them)
OK Whatever you say SPIDER
I mean you DID see the video and like PEOPLE magazine it must be true then.
I was there she was not pulled down, she choose to lay
in the street. How childish. Just to STOP a parade. Really.
Tractor Gurlie - May 09, 2007
05:00:44 PM
Well
I would just gone ahead and run her over but Oh man the blood and the clean
up. Ever try getting all that off a tractor? Then I would have recvd
a ticket for it and although I have never had a ticket driving the tractor I
wonder what the points would be? There is NOTHING PEACEFULL about laying down
in the street in the middle of a parade. Please explain this to me?
Tractor Gurlie - May 09, 2007
04:15:50 PM (this, of course, shows the true nature of
this bitch and those like her that would hurt peaceful people. She should apply
for the Mynamar military)
(Now
we skip to the next day and the backtracking starts):
OK To many posts to go back
and read through. The older lady that got out of the van wasnt running, although
she was walking very fast and I have to admit I did see a cane in the van,
but didnt think anything of it because the lady seemed to be walking at a
fast pace just fine. She to had the same terrible LIME green T-Shirt on as
the others and again she was yelling and screaming before she ven got out
of the van. She went over to where her co-protestor had layed down to -take
a little nappy poo?- and as the police approached she to must have gotten
tired and layed for a quick nap. Of course the driver of the little van realized
how dangerous this was and he pulled up to them sideways so as to NOT block
the parade but only to protect his fellow protestors. NOW thats one story
they could use that would at least seem more believable than what they are
trying to pass off. It has been said over and over they did not have PERMISSION
to be in the parade as WAR protesting group, only the Bookman had permission
to be there for his company. Now as I have said I have been IN this parade
for the last 10 years and you can have anyone join your group BUT you must
not disrupt the flow of the parade, and you must abide by the rules. They,
by there own admission ONLY joined for the purpose of
disrupting, and YES they have been in the parade before, but the did
not act as they did this particular time AND there were
many complaints about them the last 2 years. So this year the committe
was aware and was watching for them to see if they misbehaved. Once
they started they were asked to leave. We know what happened from there. Face
reality people they are not innocent by any means.
Tractor Gurlie - May 10, 2007
08:20:51 AM (many complaints about us in the last 2 year
and we've only been in the parade the year before. She claims to have called
the parade committee to get this information that we were being watched for
misbehavior, which fits with the sense that they planned to do this to us before
we started, but I hate to believe anything this little lying shit has to say.
She didn't see a godamned thing and heard a bunch of lies from others and is
reporting it here as her eye witness account.)
I've seen pictures of her
with a cain, but not even one picture or video with her actually using it. Usually
she's just carrying it or she's sitting there with the cain in reach. Pictures
of her at the rally they held the next day showed her walking
freely and standing freely without using it, as well. So really, I know
a manipulation when I see it, and I'm not falling for this one. I've worked
around enough old people, and trust me, some can be pretty violent even from
a wheelchair. People would be surprised. To anyone reading this -- spend some
time work in a nursing home if you don't believe me. Even as a volunteer. You'll
see things you never dreamed of. lol! Old doesn't necessarily mean innocent.
Lexi - May 09, 2007 07:18:40
PM (she had her walker the entire time at the rally, and
no picture have been posted of her not using it) (Lexi is another of the raging
loons of the GAGzette blog, but is capable of reasoned thought unlike most there
I suspect her and tractor gurlie are the same person. These clowns use several
names to post so it looks like someone agrees with them.)
I will not apologize that
my picture was not taken in that particular instance-the
news the same day did show a quick still of Local 58 and our tractors. I do
not remember seeing any news cameras at that particular time but thats not
to say they were not there. And I have never said thay The Bookman had to
say WHO was in his group, I did say that he did not say WHAT they would be
representing.
Tractor Gurlie - May 10, 2007
12:17:50 PM (I challenged tractor gurlie that I thought
it was impossible that out of the entire group with the Pipefitters local
58 union, which had 2 floats, that NO ONE had taken a photo proving she was
on the tractor watching this happen)
Until I am called to sit
on the stand I can talk of the truth and what I saw. When I am called to the
stand as a witness and I take the oath I would not talk about what I was testifying
for. At this time I just on the list as witness for the
case. You are intent on trying to dicredit me so please go on and say
what you wish I know what the truth is and I will speak the truth. If the police
had abused there authority I would say so. I have no reason to lie.
Tractor Gurlie - May 10, 2007
11:57:40 AM (She has claimed she was going to testify,
but was posting on this blog when we were all at court that 2 days. You'll have
to ignore the syntax, grammer, and punctuation. These people are all quasi illiterate.)
CSACTION-Sorry but I did
see what happened and no one was thrown to the ground.
These people choose to lay down and yes The Bookman
had a pernit but NOT for an Anti War Protest. I was there so I
do not need to see the made up videos. If you were there maybe you
would remember the Girl sitting on the Tractor about 3 feet from where the
VAN turned sideways in the street-and this was not to leave the parade route
at this time as they were not quite to the next street-but that Girl was me
and I was clapping as loud as anyone else when the police did finally escort
them off the parade route due to the language and the offense banners and
flags.
Tractor Gurlie - May 10, 2007
10:19:59 AM (More lies in rebuttal to my challenges,
then after I tell her to watch the video, she refuses; doesn't realize I WAS
there and taking the photos, so god know where she thinks they came from,
but is sure the video I did NOT shoot, is altered?)
CSACTION person You are right
I should not be making accusation regarding videos that we made up I apologize
for that indiscretion. I will say this ONE more time for those of you who
do not seem to get the point. I WAS SITTING ON MY TRACTOR. The seat of this
tractor sits about 7 feet in the air me sitting on the tractor gives me another
3 feet of height so all in all I was APPOX 10 feet above and had an UNOBSTRUCTED
view of the events that played out. The tractor was not yet running at this
time so not only that but I heard MOST of everything just fine. If
I thought the videos could show me something different that was important
then I would most certainly view them. The VAN did not block my view
in any way shape or form. Now I dont think I can write that any slower. Oh
and before you start with your accusations please look up what a 1936 John
Deere A Looks like. Its not the Cherry Picker that my dad was driving. Its
a big TRACTOR.
Tractor Gurlie - May 11, 2007
08:16:32 AM (Of course, then the recantation after I
call her on it. Again she reiterates that she doesn't need to see the videos
or photos to know what happened. She has seen them since and has basically
recanted everything you're reading here, in these old posts.)
CSactionORG, do you not know
your own peoples' comments? I have been in email contact with your organization
for clarification and the gentleman has explained a thing or two to me. The
photo's on your web site were taken by your people. The video was taken by channel
11 news and is incomplete, admited by your own people. Gurly was there and saw
the whole thing so why would she have to see the pictures and video? Again I
say if you will refuse to obey the police, you are puting yourself at risk for
arrest, that means handcuffs, that means if you resist arrest they will "take
you to the ground" to cuff you. "For every action there is an equal and opposite
reaction". Someone wise said that, not me.
Danny - May 10, 2007 03:43:36
PM (this, after another one of these idiots, Danny Rawlins,
wrote me and we exchanged some emails, and he still doesn't know who he was
talking to. None of these people could add 2 plus 2 and get 4. I'll post his
emails later and you'll see something else. When their name and email is attached
to the post, they act like humans. When they log in anonymously, they act like
animals)
CSACTION-I find it very hard
to believe anything you have to say. You said before in ALL your pictures
and videos you had not ONE picture of a tractor and accused me of lieing about
being near or in the parade, now that I basically have given proof you suddenly
have a picture of a tractor BUT no one is sitting on it. Keep in mind IF you
do have a pic of the a tractor there were 2 you may have the cherry picker
and not the the 1936 A. If you dont know tractors LOOK them up and you can
see the difference. Next you will have a picture of BOTH tractors and there
was either still no one on them or there was a man or maybe some
other made up person. Good try though. I know what I saw and what I
heard and nothing you can say or fabricate will change it. Sorry but its time
you face the truth. Your people were wrong and the police did was necessary
to clear the parade route of there disruption.
Tractor Gurlie - May 15, 2007
10:45:28 AM (She desperately tries to prepare a rebuttal
to the photos that had not been posted yet, cause I didn't have time to look
them up for her, and so claims I will make up what they show. This proves
she knew I would not have a photos of her sittig up there, because she wasn't
until long after we were gone, if at all.)
October
2. Well, you wouldn't think this would get any
stranger, but it does. The GAGzette published a basic press release statement
of the annoucement of the new trials (I haven't gotten the inside word on this
yet) so the blog starts up with the usual suspects. There has been this guy
who signed on as "preacher" for months, then changed it to "pastor
Roy" for some reason. Loves to bait me and especially to change the subject
to Clinton bashing and Democrats are at fault for all wrong with the world type
of buillshit, and before I can even log on (long day) he's in there baiting
me for a response. It's the cheapest entertainment in town to see these idiots
quote nonsese as fact and bloviate about the parade and events there, without
the slightest idea of what happened. I'll continue to post some of my favorite
quips here for entertainment.
(Here,
he's explainging to someone else the above photos and such that show this tractor
gurlie woman, who claims we were biting and kickiing the cops, was not where
she said she was, and couldn't have seen what she claims either way)
August
23-
Today
was the first day of the trial, and the GAGzette covered it, made their report,
and Tractor Gurlie chimed in with some of her more amazing claims yet in their
blog, so I have reposted them here. I'll add more later, cause she's bound to
get more nuts as I rebut her lies with the truth. Can't make dis shit up.
First
I am shocked and surprised CSOrg has not posted yet, I am sure he will. SECOND
Remember folks I was there-Front row seat and all, sitting on my tractor-that
CSORG said didnt exsist at first then said he saw the tractor in pics but
not me-No surprise as lying comes easily to him. THIRD THEY DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION
TO BE IN THAT PARADE. Period. Had they marched in the parade in peace I dont
think ANYONE would have said suat but since they CHOOSE to lie down-AND YES
THEY DID ON THIER OWN- Now they want to boo hoo that the police abused them
and there rights. Whatever. Get real Get lost Get past it. They will not win
this case and I bet anything they will bring up the WAR PROTEST in some way
in court and the judge will toss em.
Tractor Gurlie - Aug 23, 2007
03:05:24 PM
BOB For your information
I gave the police my information and the DA has called me several times making
sure I would be available. I advised I would and have talked to the DA's office
several time since.
Tractor Gurlie - Aug 23, 2007
03:55:27 PM
VOICE OF REASON were you
the driver? Did you see what you just said happen? What I saw was the van
tooling along in the parade and the the people walking beside and behind it
were spewing trash about the soldiers-although I think the group I was with
HARD CORE UNION WORKERS were not very helpful in NOT instagating-then the
VAN stopped when the yelling back and forth from the protestors to the parade
watchers started to increase. Then a guy with a banner was approached and
asked to put the banner down as he was waiving it in a violent manner towards
parade peeps with children, he refused and started running Then the van manuvered
itself almost sideways in the street to block the rest of the parade. The
older lady then got olut of the VAN and started harrasing the police and well
she grabbed an arm of one and rules are rule NEVER EVER TOUCH a POLICE OFFICER
in the line of duty as they will take this as an act of aggresion. When he
turned around she layed down in the street-NO she was not PUSHED shoved thrown
or whatever other adjective you choose to use. So there ya have it. The facts
as I saw them from atop my trusty tractor.
Tractor Gurlie - Aug 23, 2007
04:05:30 PM
Oh No -OH NO maybe you should
have waited for my post-or not jump to assumptions. I said I have been in
touch with the DA and I am sure I will be called to testify no worries.
Tractor Gurlie - Aug 23, 2007
04:16:30 PM
SS My bad I called it the
DA Office but yes the City Attornys Office. My apologies for the wrong court
system. VOICE OF REASON I said the group I was with was no help but the did
not start it. The protestors did when they started the disrepectful comments
about the soldiers. Being UNION does not mean redneck in any way and I am
sorry you feel the need to name call nor does it mean that they do NOT support
our SOLDIERS for what they are doing. They are doing a job they were trained
to do.
Tractor Gurlie - Aug 23, 2007
04:40:14 PM
SPIDER no one is saying they
dont have a right or well at least I am not saying it. By all means we have
the right to protest. But this was a parade that has nothing to do with WAR
or ANTI WAR. They did not have a permit to be in this parade. They were orginally
given a permit but it was pulled when the committe realized what they wanted
to march for. They came in to this parade under a pulled permit and the BOOK
VAN knew it. There were and are other forums for that type of protest and
if it wasnt degrading to our soldier I would even join them. Protest the government
for what they are doing but DO NOT trash the soldiers giving thier lives for
a job they are trained and PAID to do. Support our troops.
Tractor Gurlie - Aug 23, 2007
04:46:16 PM
PREACHER trust me I bet anything
they somehow someway bring there ANTI WAR protesting into the trial. No doubt.
PATRIOT I am sure many soldiers do not agree with what they have to do and
I hope they allo come home safe. But again be angry at our government not
our soldiers. Something off the mark here its kind of like blamming the guy
from India that took your job. Well not his fault he got the training and
he has the know how and our GOVERNMENT allowed the companies to trade our
job overseas. Sad but true.
Tractor Gurlie - Aug 23, 2007
04:51:35 PM